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Old 11-25-2012, 01:08 AM
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Default R.A. Roman, General monthly volume of clean and jerk exercises.

"The volume of jerk exercises in the preparatory period should be [...]. Of theses lifts, cleans comprise an average of 17% for low-class athletes, 15% for Class I and CMS and 13% for MS. The remaining part of the load are jerks."

(R.A. Roman, The Training of the Weightlifter, pg. 53)

So, I got a little confused in this last part. First he says the general mean volume of jerk exercises are 25% (I know it's diferrent depending on classification and weight), and the for the clean exercises are 15%. But he finishes saying that 'The remaining part of the load are jerks." What remaning part of the load is he refering to? Can someone who read it and understood explain to me?

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Old 11-25-2012, 01:13 AM
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Edit: My mistake.

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Old 11-25-2012, 03:55 PM
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Nobody did read it?

The question in a simplified manner is:

The total of clean and jerk exercises are, in general, 25% of total load for the month. After this he says that the clean comprises a 15% of these lifts. So these 15% are applied like this:

Jerk Volume = 25% (total clean and jerk exercises) - 15% (the portion that refers)

or like this:

Clean volume = 25% (total clean and jerk exercises) * 15% (same as above)?

Thanks

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Old 11-25-2012, 04:22 PM
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I'd imagine it is 15% out of 25% not 15% of 25%, that's something like 3.75%. So for every clean you do, you do 5-6 jerks.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:31 PM
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I'd imagine it is 15% out of 25% not 15% of 25%, that's something like 3.75%. So for every clean you do, you do 5-6 jerks.
By the looks of it he means 25% of training volume was split 15% cleans and 10% jerks. So you'd actually be doing 3 cleans to every 2 jerks rather than 5-6 jerks to every clean.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:39 PM
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Hmm, I after reading Laputin's article about the training after the abolition of the press I thought it'd be something like this. Well, Thanks for the reply guys.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:53 PM
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There is no doubt that section is confusing, I write notes in the margins of all the Russian texts. In looking back I have a penciled a ? mark in the margin. I think the answer is that "unfortunately" jerk exercises really means CJ exercises(seriously), which encompasses cleans, jerks,cj,power cleans, ect. I say this because it is charted in exactly the same way in Cherynak's "methods of planning training for weightlifters" 1978.
So when it says 27% of the total volume is jerk exercises(really means CJ exercises) of which 17% are cleans and the remaining 10% are jerks. 17+10=27
Unfortunately things could have been crystal clear with more graphic charts in a lot of Russian texts,especially when dealing with reams of pages of numbers, %,ect.
http://www.robmacklem.com/pic-of-the-day-apti-aukhadov/

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Old 11-25-2012, 07:38 PM
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Yea, I got a little confused about tables 3 and 4 too... Both tables refers to volume of classic clean and clean exercises, but the numbers are a bit different in each... What do you think about it?

It seems to me that the table 3 refers to the numbers of lifts in the clean exercises, since these numbers are a little higher (212 for low class athletes in the preparatory period) and in the table 4 it refers to classic jerk and jerk exercises since there are less number of lifts (138 for low class athletes) which gives a total for clean and jerk exercises of 350 number of lifts, which is something like the 28% of the general monthly volume.

Is it correct?

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Old 11-25-2012, 08:02 PM
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The translations of those books are pitiful.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:19 PM
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The programs you write don't have to be exact. Averaging everything from the various texts you'll get 20-23% snatch (incl. related exercises), 20-23% c&j (incl. related exercises). Squats anywhere from 25-30% (incl. related exercises). 6-12% pulls (split between snatch and clean pulls) 5-15% strength exercises (pressing, good morning, etc).

The way I used to do it:
22% snatch
13% cleans/ 12% jerks
35% squats
5 % presses
8% pulls (1/2 snatch, 1/2 clean)
The reaming was assistance stuff based on my weakness, which was and has always been leg strength.

I did a lot of squats and it always seemed to me that was where the textbooks varied the most. I've seen 20% as squats and as high as 35%. That's why I tweaked it the way I did.

My point is the framework is there and 1-2% here or there won't make a big difference. You'll need to change things anyway depending on what you need to work on anyway.

Last edited by ohio; 11-25-2012 at 08:20 PM. Reason: These change as you get closer to a meet
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