Documenting the Chinese training methods. What you want to know?

[BTBAM]

I would like to see some aspects of programming over multiple weeks/ months if you covered any of that information. Most definitely would buy an e-book!

[bull.dogz]

I'd be in on this!!

[kirksman]

Originally Posted by BTBAM

I would like to see some aspects of programming over multiple weeks/ months if you covered any of that information. Most definitely would buy an e-book!

This is the one part that's extremely difficult to do. Each coach has his own methods and each province has their own trends. The only thing that is constant for most Chinese lifters at novice levels (which is pretty much the levels 95% of the world's at) is the high repetitions for technical feedback and strength development. Repetitions is what builds strength and technique. Singles and doubles, tests strength.

I'll write a few programming models that we use, but programming's probably the least important part of the training.

The recording of training and consistency is far more important.


And U mean I can sell this? hmmmmmm........I must admit, that didn't cross my head. Interesting!

[BTBAM]

Originally Posted by kirksman

This is the one part that's extremely difficult to do. Each coach has his own methods and each province has their own trends. The only thing that is constant for most Chinese lifters at novice levels (which is pretty much the levels 95% of the world's at) is the high repetitions for technical feedback and strength development. Repetitions is what builds strength and technique. Singles and doubles, tests strength.

I'll write a few programming models that we use, but programming's probably the least important part of the training.

The recording of training and consistency is far more important.


And U mean I can sell this? hmmmmmm........I must admit, that didn't cross my head. Interesting!

Awesome, thanks for the response on that matter. Could you elaborate a bit on "the recording of training and consistency"?

[BTBAM]

Also, I meant to ask about the Chinese method of DKB or readjustment - it seems that they have a unique method of sort of dragging the bar up the thigh immediately after the knees, opening the hips well and rotating the torso backwards. They keep the bar very close during the first and second pull and have a constant sweep. Are there any specific drills or exercises that they use to emphasize this?

[ohio]

Thanks again kirksman!

If you went over this at all last year, disregard this question. But, do they have any protocols for recovery? Ice baths, sauna's, massage, etc?

[Manuel B]

I have two questions:

1) How do the Chinese teach/approach the jerk?

2) How do they address/improve explosiveness off the floor?

[kirksman]

Originally Posted by ohio

Thanks again kirksman!

If you went over this at all last year, disregard this question. But, do they have any protocols for recovery? Ice baths, sauna's, massage, etc?

All of the above, especially massage. Cold laser therapy for some pains, hot laser for others, acupuncture, hot cold stuff, funny acupuncture machine with tons of needles that zap electricity to the back.

Originally Posted by BTBAM

Also, I meant to ask about the Chinese method of DKB or readjustment - it seems that they have a unique method of sort of dragging the bar up the thigh immediately after the knees, opening the hips well and rotating the torso backwards. They keep the bar very close during the first and second pull and have a constant sweep. Are there any specific drills or exercises that they use to emphasize this?

Double knee bends is no good for the technique that the Chinese teach. Dkb based on what I've read (I had never heard of this prior to this forum&crossfit) is when they shift the knees to scoop the bar up? IF that is correct, we do not teach that. We teach to keep the knees back and the hips back, to ensure tightness in the p'chain, then shift to the forefoot and flick the bar.

1. Wide stance
2. Knees turned out, feet turned out, 25 degrees'ish
3. Hips low
4. Pull along thighs, flick bar.

Extremely slow first pull to practice positioning.

Originally Posted by Manuel B

I have two questions:

1) How do the Chinese teach/approach the jerk?

2) How do they address/improve explosiveness off the floor?

1. If you read my site, lifthard.com, you'll find answers to your jerk

2. Why in the world would you want to improve explosiveness off the floor? It's such a critical stage of the lift, you need to worry more about consistency of your hip angle and position, so that you can extend.

Consistent, steady first pull, ridiculously powerful second.

[Manuel B]

Originally Posted by kirksman

1. If you read my site, lifthard.com, you'll find answers to your jerk

2. Why in the world would you want to improve explosiveness off the floor? It's such a critical stage of the lift, you need to worry more about consistency of your hip angle and position, so that you can extend.

Consistent, steady first pull, ridiculously powerful second.

1) Do you have a link to a specific blog post? I have seen your site but the info is scattered and Im not sure if I missed it.

2) Because elite lifters are able to get through what Charniga calls Phase II of the lift (floor to knee) quicker than others. He has shown data that Master of Sport (MS) lifters do this phase quicker than Class I lifters. So I was wondering how to take a Class I lifter to get more explosive in this phase to that of an MS lifter. To me it seems that it might either be a reactive strength or absolute strength issue, or technique. Assuming its a strength issue, I was wondering what they would do about it.

[swole]

Can you have your hips too low in the start position of the snatch?